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blast off on another episode of hero

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paranormal

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podcast broadcasting from the base at la

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madre mountain

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just south of area 51 my name is ryan

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the original outlaw of the airwaves

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bringing you

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an epic episode tonight they don't get

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much better

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and ever since i talked to nathan uh

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he's a

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second time guest on the show i've been

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itching to talk to him again

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tonight we have the most amazing guest

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for a second time

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it's true the man who has connected the

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dots of high strangeness

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in the penny royal plateau abandoned

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minds with goblin sightings

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connected to the hit tv show hellyer

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connections to the subterranean tunnel

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systems of the mammoth cave system

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with more than one thousand miles of

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underground mysteries

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the appalachian mountains sit beside all

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this high strangeness

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and it's also believed to be one of the

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world's

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oldest mountain ranges from what i

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understand it doesn't stop there

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the history of the area is riddled with

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inconceivable violence

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and to top it all off this area of

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kentucky is considered

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the greatest anomaly in the usa from a

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geomagnetic perspective

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and that comes from nasa and other

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countries space programs

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nathan isaac produced the penny royal

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podcast series

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and has been bringing the world the

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eerie coincidences

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synchronicities and high strangeness

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that the penny royal delivers

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it's pretty wild stuff a mastermind

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of research techniques connecting the

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dots

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the way only he can nathan

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welcome to the hero paranormal podcast

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thanks for having me on it

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and that was a that was a great

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introduction man thank you so much

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uh that was awesome yeah it's all true

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and there's

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you know so much going on that

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you know i i really want to get down

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there and i want to jump into this like

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i don't know where to jump in because

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there's

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mystery

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and i guess a lot of them i start with

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highway 39.

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oh yeah man yeah so when we were digging

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into all of this stuff

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um i was just talking to somebody about

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this the other day too

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um there there's there's a clustering

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of high strings along highway 39

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and um in episode four of uh season one

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of penny royal um we introduce

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dan dutton who is a famous kentucky

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artist that lives here in pulaski county

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he's

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born and raised here on this farm his

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were pennsylvania dutch that came from

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virginia

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um and there were a series of families

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that came here

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um that practiced uh pencil the

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the folk magic you know the pennsylvania

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dutch folk magic

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and so they they uh ended up on

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what is now highway 39 but um

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dan explained to me that that that

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particular road

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is one of the oldest you know you know

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and i'll say quote you know roads in

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uh because it it was previously

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a buffalo trace um that actually

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then became part of the great warrior

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which a number of native american tribes

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used to travel north to south

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and there are a number of maps that i

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found after he told me this of course i

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dug dug deep into this and and in fact

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it is one of the arms of of the great

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warrior way so

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so it's one of those paths that uh

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people have been

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using to move through the united states

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through north america for thousands of

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along that pathway and um you know

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animals humans

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uh the memories that are that are sort

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of infused into that path

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um and not just a physical path but just

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you know in a way to a metaphysical path

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has sort of primed it another thing that

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adds to the high strangeness is that

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are also um these adena mounds

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that have been discovered by

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a man named rafskiller he was a

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polyglot from the late 1700's or early

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who lived in lexington kentucky and he

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early hopewell adena mounds uh burial

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kentucky and ohio

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and um some of those mounds are located

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so there's always been this idea that

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that associated with

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earthworks i think a lot of people

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probably familiar with this

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these ideas of portal areas of window

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areas you know there are a lot of

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sightings of creatures

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definitely in england near the earth

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works their sightings of

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you know the alien uh big cats

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you know the alien the abc's um and

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definitely here in

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pulaski county along highway 39 there

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are numerous

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sightings of what people here call

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painters but of black panthers but there

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are no black panthers

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in north america there are no melanistic

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black cats north of mexico

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and not not since like 1903 so

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it's strange you know that's one of the

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main things that i kept

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finding over and over again when i

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interviewed people here in the area

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everyone had a black panther sighting

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and a lot of them clustered

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and on top of that there are records

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that there were a number of

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sky falls if everybody's familiar with

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charles fort and 40 in phenomena and his

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tracking of some of these things

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um there were frog falls

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you know fish falls there were reports

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of a meat

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fall in this area which mirrored the

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meat fall the kentucky meat shower

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that happened in olympia springs

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and this all was along highway 39 and

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along with that numerous ufo sightings

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so it it it's one of the hot spots

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in this area um that continues today

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women there there have been some recent

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ufo sightings along highway 39 and

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actually this area

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for the last three weeks has been in a

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major ufo flap

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what i mean that i know personally over

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probably around 14 people that we've

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july who have had

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uh sightings of either triangles um

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um yeah just a lot of strange things

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and and that's that specific part of the

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county too that's

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that's near highway 39 toward the

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northern part of the county

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wow and it's it's one of the areas that

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there's sedona and there is obviously

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shapeshifter territory in the uintah

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but i would say that this area rivals if

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equally to a lot of that and i want to

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get back to a lot of the things you

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mentioned nathan

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but for listeners who have been living

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under a rock or haven't heard of the

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penny royal as it is a fairly new topic

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in conspiracy media terms

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can you explain some of the

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characteristics that make the penny

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royal plateau unique

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and what drew your interest into

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researching it to such an extent as you

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pennyworld plateau

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south central kentucky um it stretches

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where the foothills are

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westward to really where

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mammoth cave is hopkinsville

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which everybody should be familiar with

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the hopkinsville goblins and

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sort of the westernmost part and then it

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into um where the bluegrass region

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you know everyone's familiar with you

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bourbon but uh that sort of triangle

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the the geological features that are are

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present here um which are in their very

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distinct

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features um it's a landscape that's

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landscape and so um a lot of

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sandstone a lot of limestone

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and water um you know kentucky used to

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you know part of this inland ocean um in

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you know long millions of years ago and

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so a lot of the water

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has created massive cave systems

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penny royal includes the mammoth cave

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uh cave system and that stretches all

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under the penny royal plateau all the

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way to

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um eastern kentucky to you know elkhorn

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city which is where hillier is

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um and even here in pulaski county

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that connects with that is another cave

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system called the sloanes valley cave

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system

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largest in north america

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but this entire region especially here

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there's tons of sinkholes

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terrain lots of tunnels lots of

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underground passageways and so

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um that is sort of the the

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what's above the ground and also a

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little bit below the ground

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but even deeper and really what what

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to this area and what connects it to

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sedona and some other places

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is the fact that this specific

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region is what nasa refers to

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as the kentucky anomaly which is the

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largest spike of geomagnetic energy

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these magsat uh you know imaging from

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these satellites

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there are three hot spots in north

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america

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one is in southern alaska one is in

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sedona

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and then one is here and it centers on

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pulaski county where somerset is

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um and it's this particular one

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and when you look at these maps you can

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see um these sort of mountains

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of geomagnetic peaks

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that come off the surface and by far the

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one here is

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is is larger than anything in north

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america

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um what's strange too that the southern

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hemisphere really doesn't have very many

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and then asia has quite a few i think

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the largest in the world is probably

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i think it's in china but in north

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america this is the largest

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and it's so powerful

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so strong that it creates what

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nasa refers to as a gravity high

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and so the gravity in pulaski county

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is slightly higher than the rest of

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north america

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i mean not not by a noticeable amount

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but it is

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detectable um that there that there is

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more gravity here

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and a lot of people report that you know

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they come here and they and they say

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they feel heavier here now

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and and i think that's more in an in an

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emotional sense

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in a metaphysical sense but you wonder

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if there's not some

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physical element to that too because of

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the gravity high

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but really the the kentucky anomalies

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what what

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caused me to look at this place and to

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say

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you know is this

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geomagnetic energy is this intense you

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know electromagnetic field

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affecting the people that live here you

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know what kind of effect

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does that have on the populace and and

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what we found out

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and what's you know a major part of the

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story that we uncovered

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is that it's caused this region to have

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a long history of extreme violence

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and issues with mental health

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um and so you know that that leads into

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all sorts of

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of crazy stories uh you know that we

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uncovered connected with that

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but i do think that that the the

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kentucky anomaly is

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is really sort of a foundational part

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of why this place experiences

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so much high strangeness you know yeah

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and it's like it's it's wild i've heard

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the van ellen belts have been said to

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dip to try to

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touch it and that heavy feeling that

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you're disgusting like

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talking about this could be part of the

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reason that

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maybe there is so much violence uh

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it sounds similar to the you in a base

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and where people come and

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oftentimes they just say i feel

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different and

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there's there's something else that's

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kind of odd which is

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i i want to touch on it is um

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it's not just the geomagnetic there's

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also pulaski county seems like an

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it is an intense geomagnetic hot spot

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but this

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this wild psychiatric

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situation where uh the prosaic

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explanations don't seem to account for

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some of the violence

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i've heard of some pretty wild crimes

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down in that area and i think there's a

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very famous one

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that maybe you could tell us more about

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i remember a story told me about

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uh i think you were in front of a

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courthouse or

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can you go into that a little bit oh

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totally yeah yeah

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that and that that was sort of the

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gateway um into this investigation you

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know i moved down here i'm not

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not from here originally um but my wife

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grew

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it was born here and so we moved back

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here about a decade ago

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and um you know i've done a lot of

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research into

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um you know high strangeness is just you

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know one of those things that you know i

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love 40 and phenomena

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collecting stories collecting folklore

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um you know is a big part of what i do

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especially with my research

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and so you know when we moved down to

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this region i i

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i was really digging into it and i i

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knew about the

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kentucky anomaly uh and how strange that

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was

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but uh soon after we moved down here

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i was i was coming home from work and um

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driving through the center of town and

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there was this crowd gathered and

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they were all holding signs up and the

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signs were pointing at

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um at the city hall

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and they were um

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and a sign said you know you

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did it and all these people were

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were holding these signs up

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so i get home and i i go to my

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neighbor's house and i i ask uh you know

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what's what's going on downtown you know

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what

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and that's when they explained to me

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that um there were these

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two uh children or was a girl who was 20

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and her i think it was

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four or five years i think it was four

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years old half brother

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linda and cody and

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it was july the 4th 1994

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and they were last seen

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at this gas station which is actually

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near my house

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and they went missing on july the 4th

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and they were found

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on july the 7th and they had been

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murdered

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on this at the city limits i won't

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go into the grisly details of the murder

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but

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suffice to say that you know it was it

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was extremely

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extremely violent how they how they were

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murdered

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but their bodies were found on the city

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limits

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that split sort of the city from the

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county and so

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when the police department arrived there

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was some confusion

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as to whose jurisdiction it was the fbi

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became involved

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ultimately the sheriff's department took

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over the case

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a man named sheriff sammy katrin

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who was sort of this king-like figure

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almost a messianic figure

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in the community that people just

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believed

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could do no wrong he even flew a

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helicopter instead of

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driving a patrol car most of the time

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and

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they they actually created a replica of

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his

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helicopter and placed it at

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various grocery stores where children

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could pay 25 cents to ride

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sammy catherine's helicopter so he takes

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over the case

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there were some allegations that he

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might have been involved somehow

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in the murders again these these have

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never been substantiated

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but there are always rumors like that i

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was hearing all kinds of rumors

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and files were lost

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there was some some you know conduct on

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the part of

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investigators that caused the case to

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ultimately go

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unsolved for 25 years

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2019 was the 25th anniversary

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and subsequently

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sammy catcher and sheriff sammy catrin

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was assassinated

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at a fish fry here in pulaski county

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while he was putting two apple pies on

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the top of his patrol car

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his supposedly his political rival um

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assassinated i hired a hitman who shot

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him

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um and then what's weird you know add

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another layer of weirdness to this

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sammy catrin's father was the

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chief of police and he was also

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assassinated

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here in pulaski county but the most but

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this this

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uh the murder of linda and

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cody you know dateline came to somerset

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in

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uh 2019 to do a special about it

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like i said it's it's it's been a an

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unsolved murder for

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25 years again if if anyone listening to

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this has any information the

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you know the sheriff's department that

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maintains a website with a tip line

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um i always try to remind people if

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there is anything

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uh to help but it's it's strange it's

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one of those things that

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i hadn't thought about the fact

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until after after penny roll the first

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season was released

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that july the 4th is the aphelion

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it's the day when the earth

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is the furthest from the sun and it's a

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major

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ritual day and also the seventh is the

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day that the bodies were found

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and so you know it adds this weird

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occult

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element to it and and the people that

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were telling me these stories and and

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explaining to me you know about these

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murders there was a heavy element of

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um cultis

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occultism you know not not occultism but

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just that

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that there might be some type of

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organized group in town

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00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:34,400
um that we're doing things and and so

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that really was my

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entry point into investigating a lot of

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00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:38,799
the local

534
00:21:44,549 --> 00:21:42,240
folklore was to understand

535
00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:44,559
where these stories were coming from you

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00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:46,480
know how

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00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:48,320
you know if they were true or not you

538
00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:50,000
know was there really a cult

539
00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:52,080
you know were people in power here in

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00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:53,840
town involved in it

541
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um you know well obviously you know i

542
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:59,520
i do not believe that's the case uh

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00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:00,480
currently

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but there are groups and work groups

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00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:06,960
um that were practicing um

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00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:10,559
ritualism and magic in this area

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00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:13,200
at that time um they're not connected to

548
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:14,000
the murders but

549
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it's just it's a weird layering of

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things and and and that was

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you know that's probably the most high

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00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:21,520
profile uh

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00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:24,559
series of murders um uh and and

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00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:26,000
there's someone else that's attached

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that i can't talk about just because

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00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:30,559
of uh you know the family is very

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litigious

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00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:33,840
uh to suggest that this particular

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00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:35,520
individual was involved but

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00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:39,120
most likely he was um and it is the

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number one suspect

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but i did not mention that in penny

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00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:44,799
royal i can't really talk about it but

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um suffice to say there there are some

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00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:51,280
very very strange characters that we

566
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:52,799
discovered here

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that made me ask the question why were

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00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:57,120
these people

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drawn to this specific area

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00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:03,360
you know why did they end up here

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00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:05,679
in pulaski county in this highly

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energetic place

573
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:09,280
and then you know once we started

574
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:10,400
digging into

575
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:12,720
even just the violence you know the

576
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:13,440
murders

577
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:17,120
we found tons of these things just

578
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:20,480
it was a pile of newspaper articles

579
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:24,000
of the craziest murders and attempted

580
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:25,760
murders and poisonings

581
00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:28,880
and assassinations that you've ever

582
00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:29,440
heard

583
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:32,960
and all concentrated in this one area

584
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:35,039
and and that's when i really started

585
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:36,000
digging into the research

586
00:23:42,149 --> 00:23:39,840
of how intense geomagnetic and

587
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:42,159
electromagnetic fields can affect

588
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:43,600
people's brains and

589
00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:46,400
and cause them to be more violent um

590
00:23:49,909 --> 00:23:47,840
it's just so

591
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:49,919
it's strange and and also i think it's

592
00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:51,679
worth noting and i mentioned this in the

593
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:53,039
podcast that

594
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:56,159
um you know there's a a mental

595
00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:58,000
health facility in lexington which is

596
00:24:01,990 --> 00:23:59,919
about an hour north of here

597
00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:02,000
called eastern state and we've

598
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:03,440
interviewed a number of people that

599
00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:05,120
worked at eastern state

600
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:08,480
and they remarked that any time

601
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:10,640
someone brought up pulaski county or was

602
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:12,240
from plastic county

603
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:14,960
the doctors there were quick to note

604
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:15,919
that you know it's like

605
00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:19,200
what is in the water in pulaski county

606
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:20,080
because

607
00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:23,520
at one point 70 percent of the people

608
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:26,080
in eastern state which takes patients

609
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:26,799
from

610
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:33,679
plastic county

611
00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:36,880
and and when you look at the the

612
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:39,200
sort of spectrum of mental health here

613
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:40,080
in the county

614
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:42,960
there's a massive uh mental health

615
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:44,320
industry here

616
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:47,120
and even you know which we could talk

617
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:48,000
about um

618
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:50,480
you know a little bit more in detail

619
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:51,760
whenever you want but

620
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:54,799
uh there's also an experimental mental

621
00:24:58,350 --> 00:24:56,000
health facility

622
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:58,360
called oakwood that was created here in

623
00:25:03,029 --> 00:24:59,600
1973

624
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:03,039
you know it's just it to me once once i

625
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:05,679
started digging into this and looking at

626
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:06,720
this specific

627
00:25:13,510 --> 00:25:09,919
place i just kept finding

628
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:13,520
layer upon layer of weirdness

629
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:16,480
um that that was sort of undeniable that

630
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:17,760
it had to all be

631
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:20,960
connected somehow you know

632
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:23,520
i'm so i'm glad you said layer upon

633
00:25:28,269 --> 00:25:25,440
layer because yeah it seems like it's

634
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:28,279
just riddled with like synchronicities

635
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:30,720
connectivities and you know where you

636
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:32,159
see one strange thing

637
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:33,919
another strange thing appears and it

638
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:36,080
leads to other strange things

639
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:38,240
and you mentioned a few things um

640
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:40,080
earlier in the podcast and i

641
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:43,279
one i have to touch on is um

642
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:45,360
it looks like on the evening of august

643
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:47,600
21 1955

644
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:50,559
the hopkinsville this is this is

645
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:52,320
something that if people have not heard

646
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:54,000
about this it's one of the wildest

647
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:54,880
stories

648
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:56,480
for listeners that haven't heard about

649
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:59,120
it a basically some people showed up at

650
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:00,640
a police station

651
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:04,159
and claimed that uh small creatures from

652
00:26:07,750 --> 00:26:05,760
a spaceship were attacking them

653
00:26:09,830 --> 00:26:07,760
and their farm can we go into that story

654
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:09,840
because that just wow

655
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:12,080
yeah you know that's the the sutton

656
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:13,039
family

657
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:16,720
um and they were in kelly kentucky which

658
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:18,559
is just outside of hopkinsville

659
00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:21,039
but it's you know the kelly hopkins

660
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:22,159
little goblin

661
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:26,080
uh sighting but i think i think that is

662
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:29,120
the most well documented

663
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:35,669
alien encounter um in in sort of

664
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:38,720
u.s history but um

665
00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:41,760
yeah the family that supposedly

666
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:44,480
saw light in the sky came down on the

667
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:46,080
farm

668
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:49,120
they were besieged by

669
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:52,799
a series of you know

670
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:55,679
of creatures uh small diminutive

671
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:56,720
creatures

672
00:27:00,870 --> 00:27:00,000
uh with these big ears and these big

673
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:00,880
eyes

674
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:04,159
and the strange thing though is the way

675
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:05,600
they moved

676
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:07,679
and also the the family saw them in the

677
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:09,039
windows

678
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:11,440
they they saw them on the roof of the

679
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:12,720
house they heard them on the roof of the

680
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:13,279
house

681
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:16,640
and so you know it's 1952

682
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:20,000
and they get shotguns out and they start

683
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:21,760
shooting at these things and when they

684
00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:23,360
hit these things

685
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:26,640
it makes like a uh the sound that that

686
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:29,279
that would make if you shot a tin can

687
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:30,640
and they would kind of be

688
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:32,880
you know and and sort of bounce around

689
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:34,000
out of sight

690
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:37,600
and so you know that aspect of

691
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:41,600
the case itself is extremely strange

692
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:43,919
um you know it's not what you would can

693
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:45,200
you know think about when

694
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:48,240
you know you consider you know grays

695
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:50,960
or some other type of traditional sort

696
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:53,279
of alien

697
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:56,320
encounter but they ended up

698
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:58,960
you know getting out of the the

699
00:28:02,549 --> 00:27:59,679
farmhouse

700
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:02,559
going to the police and they fight off

701
00:28:07,029 --> 00:28:02,960
these

702
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:07,039
and

703
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:10,080
see anything

704
00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:12,960
but they're tons and tons of shells they

705
00:28:15,909 --> 00:28:13,520
can see

706
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:15,919
evidence of that the family was shooting

707
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:17,440
from inside the house at

708
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:19,840
something that they believed was you

709
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:20,480
know

710
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:24,080
just

711
00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:26,000
it's an extremely strange case it's

712
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:28,000
where the phrase

713
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:30,960
little green men originates uh in the

714
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:31,919
newspaper

715
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:35,039
in regard to this uh story the thing

716
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:35,679
that's

717
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:39,279
that to me is the most interesting

718
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:42,840
is that this is the only

719
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:46,720
verified ufo alien case

720
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:50,159
that the cia investigated

721
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:54,000
and we know that they did because

722
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:58,080
there are c declassified cia files that

723
00:29:02,310 --> 00:28:58,880
they sent

724
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:02,320
a man named john mull holland

725
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:04,880
to investigate whether or not the sutton

726
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:06,640
family was telling the truth

727
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:09,679
and what's so strange about this is that

728
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:14,159
john mull holland was a stage magician

729
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:18,159
who the that the cia contracted

730
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:21,200
to create their manual for

731
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:23,919
slot of hand and a number of other

732
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:24,720
things

733
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:28,240
he also is connected later

734
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:31,840
to the mk ultra program uh and so it's

735
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:32,480
like

736
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:34,640
this is all i mean this is beyond

737
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:35,840
conspiracy theory

738
00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:38,320
this is all verified you can read the

739
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:39,039
documents

740
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:42,720
we know who he was and

741
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:44,399
know that he was a stage magician know

742
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:45,840
that he was there and

743
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:50,159
filed a report with the cia about

744
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:53,520
the hopkinsville goblins and then later

745
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:55,600
was involved in mk ultra so it's

746
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:58,720
it's just one of those strange things

747
00:30:03,990 --> 00:29:59,440
that

748
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:04,000
things

749
00:30:07,269 --> 00:30:05,520
you got to start asking a few more

750
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:07,279
questions you know

751
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:10,240
yeah it's like it's just the

752
00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:11,279
connectivity of

753
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:12,799
everything is like part of that

754
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:15,279
weirdness and you had mentioned

755
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:18,480
that the ancient culture of kentucky is

756
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:21,360
renowned for its massive burial mounds

757
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:23,360
and

758
00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:25,600
kenneth grant has said that the adena

759
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:27,279
may have opened some type of

760
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:30,320
portal or anomaly that was never closed

761
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:33,520
can we get into that weirdness oh yeah

762
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:35,360
i i mean this is probably one of my

763
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:36,799
favorite parts of

764
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:40,000
of what we found too is um

765
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:42,480
yeah if people are familiar with kenneth

766
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:43,039
grant

767
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:46,320
he is a ceremonial magician

768
00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:50,559
who was the origin of the typhonian

769
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:51,440
order

770
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:55,919
um and he was at one point

771
00:31:02,070 --> 00:30:59,760
aleister crowley's secretary

772
00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:02,080
and i think i can't remember if he

773
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:03,840
headed up the oto at one point or

774
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:05,120
attempted to but

775
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:06,960
um but he did he had to tie phony in

776
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:08,960
order now the typhonian order

777
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:11,039
you know i'm not a practicing ceremonial

778
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:12,000
magician but

779
00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:13,679
um but we've researched a lot of this

780
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:15,279
and we've we've interviewed a lot of

781
00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:18,480
magicians so um uh it's

782
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:21,760
it's interesting that uh the typhonian

783
00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:23,519
order sort of embraces even

784
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:27,679
this idea of um the old gods

785
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:30,000
or some you know something akin to

786
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:30,960
lovecraft

787
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:35,120
even and there was a group

788
00:31:41,830 --> 00:31:38,960
uh that was known as the bait cabal

789
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,840
who were part of the typhonian order um

790
00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:43,440
they were a magical group

791
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:47,919
that had emerged from a

792
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:50,320
shop in new york city called the magical

793
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:51,919
child

794
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:54,240
they came from new york city there was

795
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:57,679
also a number of groups in the mid-1970s

796
00:32:02,470 --> 00:31:59,519
in cincinnati i think a lot of people

797
00:32:05,710 --> 00:32:02,480
don't realize how many magical groups

798
00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:05,720
were active in cincinnati ohio in the

799
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:07,279
1970s

800
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:09,120
we found numerous articles about it

801
00:32:13,909 --> 00:32:10,960
there were over 100

802
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:13,919
covens but there were tons of different

803
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:14,720
um

804
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:16,559
orders magical orders that were

805
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:18,880
practicing ceremonial magic

806
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:21,039
and among them was the bait cabal and so

807
00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:22,640
this group that came from

808
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:26,240
new york city sort of merged with um

809
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:29,360
i think they were they had a publishing

810
00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:32,720
um uh company as well

811
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:35,679
that later became black moon publishing

812
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:36,320
so

813
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:39,120
the bank of all published a journal

814
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:40,799
called the cincinnati journal

815
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:43,919
of magic in the 1970s and it was these

816
00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:44,640
guys were

817
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:47,600
way ahead of everybody else in terms of

818
00:32:51,029 --> 00:32:47,919
uh

819
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:51,039
magical systems we interviewed marco

820
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:53,279
visconti who's a ceremonial magician

821
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:56,399
in england and you know he's sort of his

822
00:32:59,669 --> 00:32:58,720
a historian of these things and and he

823
00:33:01,750 --> 00:32:59,679
explained to us

824
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:01,760
that you know these guys were if you

825
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:03,919
think of magic as um

826
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:07,200
operating systems that the baseball were

827
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:10,080
you know a few opera few upgrades of

828
00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:11,919
operating systems ahead of everybody

829
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:12,240
else

830
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:14,240
just the way they were approaching magic

831
00:33:19,909 --> 00:33:15,919
so um

832
00:33:24,149 --> 00:33:19,919
the woman um a woman named

833
00:33:27,509 --> 00:33:24,159
maggie ingles headed up the baseball

834
00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:27,519
she was known in magical circles as

835
00:33:34,149 --> 00:33:30,559
nema and so she

836
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:34,159
really is the one that

837
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:37,440
was speaking to um kenneth grant

838
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:41,200
about the cincinnati vortex

839
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:43,279
and so they were collaborating and

840
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:44,799
talking about um

841
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:48,320
the fact that the adena um had opened

842
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:48,720
this

843
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:56,240
rip in space and time

844
00:34:02,870 --> 00:33:59,840
that allowed sort of

845
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:02,880
people to cross over to the night side

846
00:34:06,149 --> 00:34:04,880
you know of like the tree of life you

847
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:06,159
know that's how they they

848
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:09,119
kind of saw that but it stretched from

849
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:10,960
the cincinnati area

850
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:13,919
down through you know kentucky over top

851
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:15,359
of this area

852
00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:18,560
and sort of even over the ashland area

853
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:21,679
but the primary place that nema went to

854
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:25,520
interact with um this um

855
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:29,040
you know this this vortex uh that opened

856
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:29,599
up

857
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:33,200
was the daniel boone national forest

858
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:36,960
and so the whole eastern half of pulaski

859
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:37,679
county

860
00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:41,200
is this daniel boone national forest

861
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:43,200
and what we found was that the bait

862
00:34:47,909 --> 00:34:44,639
cabal and these

863
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:47,919
ceremonial magicians were traveling down

864
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:49,599
from cincinnati

865
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:53,119
to pulaski county to the sp to the area

866
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:54,399
and this is what's crazy

867
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:56,720
the area that they were practicing these

868
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:57,920
rituals

869
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:01,200
is exactly the area that is

870
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:04,560
the peak of the kentucky anomaly

871
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:07,599
there are two peaks in this county that

872
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:10,880
where the the heart of this thing is and

873
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:13,839
one is in the northeastern part of the

874
00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:15,200
county and then one is in the

875
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:16,240
southeastern

876
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:17,760
and the most intense one is the

877
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:19,680
northeastern one it's over a series of

878
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:20,800
mines

879
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:24,800
in this very remote part of the county

880
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:27,839
and the symbol of the baseball was

881
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:30,320
is the bee and the vulture and i

882
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:31,599
interviewed all these people that

883
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:32,960
remembered

884
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:36,560
the these uh strange people from

885
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:39,599
cincinnati coming to this property

886
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:41,920
in the eastern part of the county where

887
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:44,560
these mines are where the caves are

888
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:46,400
and where daniel boone national forest

889
00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:48,000
is and they built this

890
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:51,520
weird structure that people referred to

891
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:54,960
as the beehive and it

892
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,000
had a telescoping roof that could be

893
00:36:01,109 --> 00:36:00,240
opened up in a hearth in the center for

894
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:01,119
a fire

895
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:04,000
and people slept in these sort of

896
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:05,359
honeycombed

897
00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:08,640
little nooks around the walls and it's

898
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:11,359
still here today it's still out there

899
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:13,920
and people that i interviewed remembered

900
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:16,160
these these strange groups coming

901
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:19,520
and they were naked in circles doing

902
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:21,440
you know chanting strange things

903
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:22,880
obviously they were sky clad

904
00:36:26,230 --> 00:36:24,320
you know the people interviewed didn't

905
00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:26,240
know what that was but um

906
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:27,920
but they were here and they were

907
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:29,359
practicing

908
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:33,359
these rituals to combat

909
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:35,760
and when you read the the cincinnati

910
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:37,200
journal of

911
00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:39,680
ceremonial magic you discover that they

912
00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:40,960
believe these

913
00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:43,040
elder gods these old gods and this

914
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:44,800
sounds like science fiction

915
00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:47,280
but they believe that these things these

916
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:48,880
alien intelligences

917
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:52,079
were attempting to cross what

918
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:54,960
what the adena had opened up and back

919
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:56,240
into our

920
00:37:02,710 --> 00:36:59,760
world our dimension to enslave humanity

921
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:02,720
so they were performing time magic

922
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:03,760
rituals

923
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:08,400
i've collected all the journals

924
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:10,960
and a lot of this is detailed in there

925
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:11,760
um

926
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:14,400
that they were trying to stave off this

927
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:17,440
invasion by these alien intelligences

928
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:19,920
and trying to save humanity and and it's

929
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:20,560
like

930
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:23,119
that all was happening right at the

931
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:23,920
center

932
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:25,839
of the kentucky anomaly whether they

933
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:26,960
knew it or not

934
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:29,280
and maybe they sensed how energetic it

935
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:30,240
was but

936
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:33,760
and then that specific area is where

937
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:34,720
hellyer

938
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:36,720
ended up that's where the new kirks

939
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:38,320
ended up performing their

940
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:40,560
you know ritual to pan it's where we

941
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:41,680
discovered

942
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:44,800
a number of other groups were practicing

943
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:47,520
magic a number of weird strange

944
00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:48,640
characters x

945
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:50,880
nazi intelligence agents that were

946
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:52,960
owning mines in this area

947
00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:56,079
um and that it was all clustering

948
00:38:03,030 --> 00:37:59,200
there and it just defies

949
00:38:06,349 --> 00:38:03,040
belief you know that these things

950
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:06,359
were happening i don't know

951
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:09,760
absolutely stunning man it's just

952
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:11,920
unreal and then i'm glad you brought up

953
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:13,280
the nazi aspect

954
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:15,359
and the aryan groups because there's

955
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:17,040
some really strange

956
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:19,280
things that have to do with the i guess

957
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:21,920
fascist connections for those unfamiliar

958
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:24,800
and uh i've got to get into the horn god

959
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:26,240
pan as well

960
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:28,560
but there was a there there's something

961
00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:30,160
that i i just can't skip

962
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:32,240
over and we'll get back to this in a

963
00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:33,599
minute but um

964
00:38:37,710 --> 00:38:35,599
i absolutely have to ask about the

965
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:37,720
kentucky meat shower of

966
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:40,960
1876 and get get

967
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:43,119
have our listeners just understand a

968
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:45,040
little bit of a tidbit of what

969
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,400
the heck happened back then yeah

970
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:50,640
that's uh that's one of my favorite

971
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:52,160
stories like kentucky

972
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:55,440
you know anomaly stories um you know

973
00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:56,160
charles ford

974
00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:00,880
covers this um in his book of the damned

975
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:02,640
i think it's in that winter new lands

976
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:04,960
but but it's uh yeah book of the damned

977
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:08,480
um and you know he's covering

978
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:11,200
all of these things you know stories of

979
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:11,760
of

980
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:15,040
things

981
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:16,960
and so the meat shower is really one of

982
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:18,960
the strangest strangest ones and

983
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:20,720
like i said it's uh it happened in

984
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:22,320
olympia springs

985
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:24,160
i can't think of the top off top they

986
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:25,200
have what the name of the couple is

987
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:26,160
right now but

988
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:30,000
um but they were outside working and

989
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:33,359
it was supposedly a clear sky and

990
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:37,359
suddenly these chunks of meat began to

991
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:40,720
fall out of the sky this rain of meat

992
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:44,240
and so they you know take shelter

993
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:47,680
it only lasts for a little while and um

994
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:49,599
their neighbors come over you know they

995
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:52,800
start inspecting this stuff

996
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:55,040
for some reason people took a bite of it

997
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:57,040
just to see if it was really neat

998
00:40:01,109 --> 00:39:58,880
and they reported that it tasted like

999
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:01,119
mutton which i think is strange

1000
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:04,560
um and uh yeah it's just it

1001
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:06,480
they couldn't explain what it what it

1002
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:08,720
come from but some of them were

1003
00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:11,839
a large chunks you know that that sort

1004
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:13,119
of the size of

1005
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:16,000
the palm of your hand and then all the

1006
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:16,640
way down

1007
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:20,000
smaller pieces the

1008
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:23,359
only piece that is still preserved today

1009
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:26,240
is at transylvania university which is

1010
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:27,599
where i went to college

1011
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:29,920
and i wish i had known this story while

1012
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:30,640
i was

1013
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:33,599
attending college there because i would

1014
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:34,880
have definitely

1015
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:37,280
you know sought out the piece of meat

1016
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:38,640
from the meat shower but

1017
00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:41,440
in their special medical collections

1018
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:42,800
they have a vial

1019
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:44,480
that has a piece of the kentucky meat

1020
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:46,000
shower i also think it's kind of strange

1021
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:47,599
that you know you think of transylvania

1022
00:40:50,829 --> 00:40:48,560
university but

1023
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:50,839
you know kentucky used to be known as

1024
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:52,000
transylvania

1025
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:53,520
you know it just means through the woods

1026
00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:55,839
and it was the transylvania

1027
00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:58,880
land company um that had owned all of

1028
00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:00,640
this area until it was

1029
00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:03,200
sold off and broken up into kentucky but

1030
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:04,240
um

1031
00:41:10,309 --> 00:41:07,440
yeah so uh the the meat and fallout sky

1032
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:10,319
one of the uh one of the explanations

1033
00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:11,760
was that it was

1034
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:14,960
uh what people call star jelly or you

1035
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:16,880
know like the gelatinous mass

1036
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:19,599
sometimes falls um which is a

1037
00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:21,200
controversial subject too

1038
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:24,400
but the the widely accepted

1039
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:27,680
um explanation is that

1040
00:41:34,069 --> 00:41:31,040
it was vulture vomit and so that

1041
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:34,079
that there was a flock of vultures that

1042
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:34,400
were

1043
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:37,440
flying over this farm in

1044
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:40,480
olympia springs and suddenly

1045
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:43,839
they all decided to to vomit at the same

1046
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:44,640
time

1047
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:47,200
and that's what the chunks of meat came

1048
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:48,160
from but

1049
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:49,839
obviously i don't believe that that's

1050
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:51,280
not the case you know

1051
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:53,680
now what did it what what was it i had

1052
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:54,880
no idea but

1053
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:58,400
it's it's one absolutely one of the

1054
00:42:03,270 --> 00:41:59,920
strangest

1055
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:03,280
documented cases with actual

1056
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:06,319
still preserved evidence that i think

1057
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:07,599
has ever occurred of

1058
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:10,960
40 and phenomena you know fascinating

1059
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:11,520
it's just

1060
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:15,200
fascinating and you're so knowledgeable

1061
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:18,240
about this stuff i i do want to get into

1062
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:21,599
um the nazi connection but i also can't

1063
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:22,319
skip

1064
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:25,280
is it's impossible to let's get into pan

1065
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:26,079
and

1066
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:34,319
in the area yeah so

1067
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:37,680
prior to um prior to

1068
00:42:41,589 --> 00:42:40,480
crossing paths with say um you know greg

1069
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:41,599
newkirk

1070
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:43,440
and the hell year team which a lot of

1071
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:44,800
people are probably familiar with the

1072
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:46,880
second season of that show

1073
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:50,800
and how it involves somerset and pan

1074
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:54,720
but before we had ever met them

1075
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:57,040
there's an artist here that i mentioned

1076
00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:59,200
earlier a famous kentucky artist named

1077
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:00,880
dan dutton

1078
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:04,160
and dan uh created a series he's a he's

1079
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:06,160
a painter he's a sculptor

1080
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:09,680
he composes opera awesome guy and

1081
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:13,119
dan created a series of operas

1082
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:17,680
in the 90s and the early 2000s

1083
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:21,200
and it was part of a four-part

1084
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:23,760
opera cycle called the secret

1085
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:25,440
commonwealth which

1086
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:28,640
definitely is a nod to um

1087
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:31,680
uh i think kirk is the guy's name the

1088
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:32,800
the early book

1089
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:36,880
on fairies from like the 1800s and so

1090
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:40,319
um he did this four part opera

1091
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:42,640
when he finished the opera he took some

1092
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:44,400
time off and then

1093
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:48,800
began to work on a piece called the fawn

1094
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:51,520
very famous opera that he did um dance

1095
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:52,160
opera

1096
00:44:01,990 --> 00:43:58,880
um the fawn focused on

1097
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:02,000
the story of um

1098
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:05,119
pan chasing syrinx and

1099
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:08,880
another nymph uh to the water

1100
00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:11,680
where he you know syrinx hides in the in

1101
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:13,040
the stream

1102
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:15,760
and um that's where you know it turns

1103
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:16,319
into

1104
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:20,560
reeds up cuts the reeds

1105
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:23,280
and then forms his pan pipe that he

1106
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:25,040
plays right

1107
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:28,720
so so dan's uh the fawn opera

1108
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:30,560
focused on it so while he was working on

1109
00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:31,760
that he

1110
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:35,200
ended up taking a job

1111
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:37,760
with the kentucky tourism department and

1112
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:39,200
they knew he was famous artists they

1113
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:40,480
were choosing

1114
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:42,560
famous kentucky artists and writers to

1115
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:44,880
go on these trips to create these

1116
00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:48,000
travel logs and so dan

1117
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:50,319
decided to go that he wanted to go to

1118
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:52,000
elkhorn city

1119
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:55,119
by way of a town called whitesburg

1120
00:45:02,230 --> 00:44:59,119
and document the beauty of that area

1121
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:02,240
and you know long story short

1122
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:06,640
he begins that journey and immediately

1123
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:09,760
falls down what i believe was

1124
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:14,400
uh a fairy path right that that he

1125
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:17,200
he gets to whitesburg and his car gets

1126
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:18,319
stolen

1127
00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:20,640
and he can't find it he gets the you

1128
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:21,760
know the police and

1129
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:24,640
involved and they end up finding his car

1130
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:26,720
but it's not parked where he parked it

1131
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:28,960
and it's such a small town you can't

1132
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:29,920
misplace

1133
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:33,200
a vehicle like that and uh and you know

1134
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:33,599
he's

1135
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:39,760
studying memory and uh

1136
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:41,839
what memory means and creating these

1137
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:43,760
memory palaces and so

1138
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:46,000
um that was strange it was like that

1139
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:47,520
event sort of

1140
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:49,760
knocked him down the rabbit hole or the

1141
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:52,319
into this this world of the faith

1142
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:54,319
and he went on to elkhorn city and he

1143
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:55,760
has this encounter

1144
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:59,280
in elkhorn city where he encounters what

1145
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:00,640
he believes

1146
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:03,839
was the archetype of pan

1147
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:05,760
now he's deep into the research of the

1148
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:07,200
fawn but

1149
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:10,319
the encounter itself is so strange

1150
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:13,599
it has all the hallmarks of of

1151
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:16,079
other worldliness you know of this of

1152
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:18,000
this magical encounter

1153
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:19,839
um and that that's what we cover sort of

1154
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:21,920
in the in the fourth episode

1155
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:27,280
but um dan's entire sort of um

1156
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:30,400
life has has sort of revolved around

1157
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:33,599
pan and and and it figures heavily into

1158
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:34,560
his work

1159
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:36,560
so he tells me the story about this

1160
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:38,160
encounter that he had with pan

1161
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:40,640
i immediately and you know i i work a

1162
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:42,400
lot with film as well

1163
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:44,640
and i was like we have to make this into

1164
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:46,800
a documentary we have to

1165
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:49,040
take you we're going to recreate the

1166
00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:50,000
fawn opera

1167
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:52,240
with new actors and actresses we're

1168
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:54,240
going to go to elkhorn city

1169
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:57,680
and we're going to restage that opera

1170
00:47:01,430 --> 00:47:00,160
in breaks interstate park which is a

1171
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:01,440
liminal zone it's

1172
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:03,200
it's an you know this park that's

1173
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:05,280
between two states

1174
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:07,680
literally and and that's why he wanted

1175
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:09,200
to go there you know because

1176
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:12,800
it's a liminal place and so i was like

1177
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:14,160
we're going to go there we're going to

1178
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:16,400
restage the opera in the forest

1179
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:19,839
and we're going to try to invoke pan

1180
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:23,359
now we worked on that for two years

1181
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:28,079
then hellyer shows up here in town

1182
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:31,839
greg newkirk had met early

1183
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:34,640
you know a year or two before kyle

1184
00:47:38,309 --> 00:47:36,000
kadell who owns the

1185
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:38,319
paranormal museum here in town you know

1186
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:40,160
they were conventions together

1187
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:42,880
um and they would see each other and so

1188
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:44,000
uh

1189
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:45,839
we all knew about season one of hellier

1190
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:47,280
we didn't know they were filming season

1191
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:47,920
two but

1192
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:50,160
you know greg shows up in town with uh

1193
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:51,599
part of the crew

1194
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:53,920
and interviews kyle for some stories

1195
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:54,800
then says

1196
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:56,240
is there anyone else we should talk to

1197
00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:58,160
and and suggest that they speak to me

1198
00:48:00,549 --> 00:47:59,440
because i've been collecting all this

1199
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:00,559
folklore

1200
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:04,079
doing all this research and so you know

1201
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:06,240
if people have seen season two you know

1202
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:07,359
i'm in episode eight

1203
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:10,480
and the last half of that season is

1204
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:13,839
in somerset and

1205
00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:17,200
they ultimately end up

1206
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:20,240
coming to somerset and

1207
00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:24,240
they are sort of following this this

1208
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:26,960
uh idea that that was presented to them

1209
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:27,280
in

1210
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:30,160
a work called the rebirth of pan which

1211
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:31,359
was written by

1212
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:35,359
a very controversial author

1213
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:38,400
who was william william grimstead who

1214
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:40,319
was writing under the pen name

1215
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:43,520
jim brandon and he published this work

1216
00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:45,599
called the rebirth of pan

1217
00:48:50,230 --> 00:48:47,680
and it tied a lot into their

1218
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:50,240
investigation especially into this whole

1219
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:53,280
parsons power names um there were

1220
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:55,280
elements of synchromysticism that were

1221
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:56,079
also sort of

1222
00:49:02,230 --> 00:48:59,520
baked into all of this well

1223
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:02,240
they come to somerset and they're

1224
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:03,839
chasing down this

1225
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:07,280
this cult that a witness has told them

1226
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:08,319
exists here

1227
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:11,760
a cult that's worshipping the green man

1228
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:15,200
sunernos the horned god right

1229
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:18,319
and so they come here they try to

1230
00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:19,280
investigate that

1231
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:22,480
our paths cross i i don't know what all

1232
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:24,640
happens after that just because

1233
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:26,000
the show you know i didn't know if they

1234
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:27,359
were filming this for the second season

1235
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:27,839
or not

1236
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:29,599
well when their show comes out a few

1237
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:30,880
months later

1238
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:33,760
and i watch it you know immediately i

1239
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:34,640
see

1240
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:37,359
that the episode i i'm in is called the

1241
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:39,200
secret commonwealth which is strange

1242
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:40,240
because of the

1243
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:42,559
sort of the synchronicity with dan's

1244
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:43,359
work

1245
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:46,960
and then the final episode right and

1246
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:49,119
a lot of that in deals with pan the

1247
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:50,400
final episode

1248
00:49:57,109 --> 00:49:53,520
they attempt to invoke pan

1249
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:57,119
here in pulaski county in the case

1250
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:59,760
in the area where the kentucky anomaly

1251
00:50:02,309 --> 00:50:00,559
is

1252
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:02,319
which i don't think they were aware of

1253
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:04,240
all of the things that

1254
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:07,200
sort of crisscrossed in that area but

1255
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:09,440
for me when i saw that i immediately

1256
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:11,359
texted greg because i was like

1257
00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:14,480
dude dan dutton and i

1258
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:17,440
were traveling to elkhorn city which

1259
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:20,480
hell here is a suburb of elkhorn city

1260
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:24,240
to to do basically to invoke pan

1261
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:26,480
and they had traveled from hellier

1262
00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:27,839
elkhorn city

1263
00:50:32,549 --> 00:50:31,599
to pulaski county and did a ritual to

1264
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:32,559
invoke pan

1265
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:36,079
and i was like it is beyond

1266
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:39,119
weird that that

1267
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:41,359
that happened and so he texted me back

1268
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:42,160
and he was like

1269
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:46,240
dude i'm looking at dan dutton's

1270
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:49,200
picture on my evidence wall and you know

1271
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:50,640
we didn't put him in the second season

1272
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:52,160
because i didn't know how he'd fit in

1273
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:53,040
there

1274
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:57,760
this heavy element of

1275
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:00,880
pan and then after their show came out

1276
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:03,359
and after penny really come out

1277
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:06,319
i started digging into this idea of is

1278
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:06,880
there

1279
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:12,400
any truth to that because

1280
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:16,720
it kept coming up and then i found

1281
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:20,240
that there is a group that was

1282
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:24,480
founded in 1955 in san francisco

1283
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:28,000
called the guidonic order and it is a

1284
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:28,480
group

1285
00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:32,480
of welsh magical practitioners

1286
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:36,880
who worship the green man

1287
00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:40,160
sooner knows the horned god

1288
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:42,880
and they're not druids but they perform

1289
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:44,079
this sort of

1290
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:49,040
nature magic and in 2004

1291
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:51,119
they moved their international

1292
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:52,559
headquarters

1293
00:52:00,060 --> 00:51:56,079
to guess where somerset kentucky

1294
00:52:01,270 --> 00:52:00,070
come on yeah dude that's all documents

1295
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:01,280
[Music]

1296
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:04,240
you can find it it's crazy i got chills

1297
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:04,800
it's just

1298
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:07,839
coincidence can't explain the the

1299
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:09,359
synchronicities

1300
00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:12,160
and you know it's not just on the ground

1301
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:13,280
like you said there's

1302
00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:16,800
there's ufos and one thing i wanted to

1303
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:20,480
to tap into a little bit is the visible

1304
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:23,040
or or should i say invisible quote

1305
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:25,760
unquote creatures in the sky the manta

1306
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:26,160
type

1307
00:52:30,549 --> 00:52:29,040
undulating creatures can we tell

1308
00:52:32,309 --> 00:52:30,559
listeners a little bit about some of

1309
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:32,319
those encounters

1310
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:34,240
oh yeah man i mean that's one of those

1311
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:35,520
things too that

1312
00:52:42,390 --> 00:52:38,880
um i had first heard

1313
00:52:43,829 --> 00:52:42,400
uh the the first account of a manta ray

1314
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:43,839
like ufo

1315
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:46,640
i think came from um oh it definitely

1316
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:47,520
came from

1317
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:51,839
coast to coast um one of the hosts

1318
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:55,200
on coast to coast had not george noyer

1319
00:52:59,910 --> 00:52:58,480
or you know george nat but one of the

1320
00:53:00,790 --> 00:52:59,920
other ones i can't think of it was which

1321
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:00,800
one it is but

1322
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:04,559
um he had been out at um the east ceti

1323
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:06,160
ranch

1324
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:08,000
which is what that's up in i think

1325
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:09,520
washington yeah

1326
00:53:13,829 --> 00:53:13,280
or oregon um but there's the east city

1327
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:13,839
ranch

1328
00:53:20,069 --> 00:53:17,839
up on the west coast northwest and

1329
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:20,079
they you know they they say that they

1330
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:20,960
can guarantee

1331
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:23,200
a ufo sighting and they use some of

1332
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:24,319
these um

1333
00:53:29,829 --> 00:53:27,839
third generation night vision goggles

1334
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:29,839
you know to look at the sky and you can

1335
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:33,440
supposedly see um ufos in the infrared

1336
00:53:36,309 --> 00:53:35,280
spectrum but it has to be this specific

1337
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:36,319
type

1338
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:38,800
and which are not sold in the us you

1339
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:39,440
know you gotta

1340
00:53:43,109 --> 00:53:41,200
have to buy them outside the us and get

1341
00:53:46,870 --> 00:53:43,119
them back here to see these things

1342
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:46,880
so they were

1343
00:53:54,790 --> 00:53:50,720
at the ranch and had a sighting of

1344
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:54,800
this manta ray-like creature

1345
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:58,319
or manta ray like ufo where they could

1346
00:54:01,910 --> 00:54:00,240
see through the thing and so that's the

1347
00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:01,920
first time i've ever heard of that

1348
00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:05,440
well then we come to find that in 2014 i

1349
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:07,599
think 2014

1350
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:12,240
um there is a an official mufon report

1351
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:15,200
and this is in burnside uh kentucky

1352
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:15,839
which is

1353
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:19,280
it it's two miles outside of somerset

1354
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:23,119
um southwest or south southeastern

1355
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:26,240
pulaski county near the other peak

1356
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:28,400
of the kentucky anomaly and that down

1357
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:30,480
sort of that southern part

1358
00:54:36,829 --> 00:54:34,240
and it's also near a place called

1359
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:36,839
alien grave mountain where there were

1360
00:54:41,470 --> 00:54:38,160
supposedly

1361
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:41,480
a 19 uh

1362
00:54:48,789 --> 00:54:45,359
1955 1958 uh ufo crash

1363
00:54:50,549 --> 00:54:48,799
that was covered up supposedly um but

1364
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:50,559
that's that's another a whole other

1365
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:52,400
story is alien great mountain which is

1366
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:54,400
strange

1367
00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:57,440
but in that general area there is a

1368
00:55:01,430 --> 00:55:00,319
mufon report in their database very

1369
00:55:05,589 --> 00:55:01,440
detailed

1370
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:05,599
where a group of witnesses saw

1371
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:09,760
a manta ray like ufo

1372
00:55:17,349 --> 00:55:13,599
slash creature that was undulating

1373
00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:17,359
through the sky above their house

1374
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:20,079
and they could see through this thing

1375
00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:21,760
and see the stars

1376
00:55:27,190 --> 00:55:24,799
but it was it had mass to it

1377
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:27,200
and so as they're looking through it the

1378
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:27,920
stars

1379
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:31,280
shifted sort of like uh i i always

1380
00:55:35,589 --> 00:55:34,000
think of like predator you know the the

1381
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:35,599
film predator and how it sort of

1382
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:38,640
uh refracts the light

1383
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:40,720
and that the stars were being refracted

1384
00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:42,079
through this thing

1385
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:45,200
um and then there was another

1386
00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:47,040
that's actually here in place county but

1387
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:49,359
kentucky has another man to raise siding

1388
00:55:55,829 --> 00:55:52,400
so there have been two in kentucky um

1389
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:55,839
in the last you know 30 years but one

1390
00:56:01,670 --> 00:55:58,880
you know the one that matters for us is

1391
00:56:03,109 --> 00:56:01,680
is the one that happened in 2014 here in

1392
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:03,119
pulaski county

1393
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:06,640
um right right near where the caves are

1394
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:09,359
and it's just such a strange it's you

1395
00:56:14,069 --> 00:56:10,720
know this the idea

1396
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:14,079
of um ufos

1397
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:18,000
that are not just spaceships

1398
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:21,359
or or craft of some sort but that

1399
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:24,400
might be some type of

1400
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:27,520
you know biological craft is

1401
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:30,960
so intriguing to me yeah it seems like a

1402
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:31,920
living thing

1403
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:34,799
almost almost like an animal and and and

1404
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:36,000
they're

1405
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:37,680
i can't remember the guy's name but i

1406
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:39,520
believe there was a gentleman

1407
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:42,240
a long time ago who used to claim these

1408
00:56:45,270 --> 00:56:43,440
things were

1409
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:45,280
i i want to say he went up in a hot air

1410
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:47,520
balloon and would see these

1411
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:49,839
yes dude have you read that book do you

1412
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:51,760
know yeah i know i know what you're i

1413
00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:53,760
can't think of his name it's just

1414
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:57,200
it's it's a really it's a really rare

1415
00:57:01,670 --> 00:57:00,880
book um god i don't have a copy of it

1416
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:01,680
yet

1417
00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:03,920
but yeah he believed that there were

1418
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:04,720
these

1419
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:11,119
creatures that lived in the

1420
00:57:15,910 --> 00:57:13,920
upper atmosphere and that that's where

1421
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:15,920
star jelly came from that these things

1422
00:57:20,230 --> 00:57:18,319
would die or be struck by lightning

1423
00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:20,240
and then that's what would rain down and

1424
00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:22,000
supposedly he went up in a hot air

1425
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:22,960
balloon

1426
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:26,640
and pursued these things

1427
00:57:32,789 --> 00:57:29,680
documented these things even uh found

1428
00:57:34,789 --> 00:57:32,799
wounded ones um that because

1429
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:34,799
as they die they like drop into the

1430
00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:36,319
lower atmosphere some have

1431
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:37,599
have landed on the earth and then

1432
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:40,000
they're picked up by other ones

1433
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:43,280
um yeah that's that's that's one of

1434
00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:43,680
those

1435
00:57:49,109 --> 00:57:46,880
something i mean

1436
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:49,119
it's like the ocean right we don't have

1437
00:57:53,589 --> 00:57:51,440
any idea what's living in the ocean and

1438
00:57:55,510 --> 00:57:53,599
you wonder like in the same way the

1439
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:55,520
skies are sort of like

1440
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:58,160
this ocean above us that you know who

1441
00:58:02,309 --> 00:57:59,520
knows what's living

1442
00:58:03,190 --> 00:58:02,319
right on the edge of space but you know

1443
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:03,200
just within

1444
00:58:08,789 --> 00:58:06,960
our atmosphere so so intriguing

1445
00:58:10,950 --> 00:58:08,799
man you have worked your magic

1446
00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:10,960
connecting so many dots

1447
00:58:16,069 --> 00:58:14,319
and this mysterious and fascinating area

1448
00:58:17,589 --> 00:58:16,079
you're the man i can't send enough

1449
00:58:19,270 --> 00:58:17,599
people your way

1450
00:58:21,910 --> 00:58:19,280
before i forget can you tell our

1451
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:21,920
listeners about the liminal lodge your

1452
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:24,400
patreon and everything else you've done

1453
00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:25,760
to help people understand the

1454
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:27,680
synchronicities and increase

1455
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:30,000
in intricacies of the phenomenal

1456
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:31,680
anomalies you've uncovered where can

1457
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:34,240
people get more of nathan isaac

1458
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:37,280
uh yeah so you know once we uh released

1459
00:58:42,069 --> 00:58:38,720
the first season

1460
00:58:43,349 --> 00:58:42,079
uh we started a patreon just to support

1461
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:43,359
the project but

1462
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:45,599
um it's a patreon that's it's called the

1463
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:47,119
liminal lodge you can go to

1464
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:49,440
uh patreon.com forward slash pin your

1465
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:50,160
world podcast

1466
00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:53,359
but or penny roll but um or look at the

1467
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:55,200
liminal lodge you'll find us

1468
00:58:59,589 --> 00:58:57,119
and it's really a research group there's

1469
00:59:01,990 --> 00:58:59,599
we found so many documents you know i

1470
00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:02,000
um i filed a four-year request with the

1471
00:59:08,150 --> 00:59:04,000
fbi about the excellency guy

1472
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:08,160
and i got 1600 pages 662 pages

1473
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:10,240
from the fbi so it's like you know we've

1474
00:59:13,109 --> 00:59:11,839
we've got all this stuff and and so we

1475
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:13,119
formed this group

1476
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:17,200
for what really assistance to help us

1477
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:18,960
trying to dig through this stuff look at

1478
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:21,760
this evidence and so if anyone is

1479
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:25,440
interested in helping us dig into this

1480
00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:26,240
mystery

1481
00:59:33,270 --> 00:59:29,680
even deeper and and we've been going for

1482
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:33,280
36 weeks now we've got you know a weekly

1483
00:59:36,630 --> 00:59:35,520
monday night live stream that we do

1484
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:36,640
we've got weekly

1485
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:38,880
uh research articles and we're just

1486
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:40,559
constantly digging into this

1487
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:43,520
we've uncovered so much more in the

1488
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:43,839
group

1489
00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:46,400
that it's just fascinating and it's

1490
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:47,680
great to have a group of people

1491
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:50,880
with us along for the ride

1492
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:52,319
so if anybody's interested in that

1493
00:59:56,549 --> 00:59:54,160
definitely check that out

1494
00:59:57,670 --> 00:59:56,559
and if you want to check out the whole

1495
00:59:59,589 --> 00:59:57,680
podcast

1496
01:00:00,789 --> 00:59:59,599
and we released all eight episodes at

1497
01:00:04,150 --> 01:00:00,799
the same time

1498
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:04,160
um you can go to pennyworldpodcast.com

1499
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:07,119
or spotify apple podcast all the major

1500
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:08,880
platforms were on there

1501
01:00:15,349 --> 01:00:12,960
and we are working on production

1502
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:15,359
of season two a lot of stuff we couldn't

1503
01:00:21,430 --> 01:00:16,799
fit in season one

1504
01:00:23,349 --> 01:00:21,440
um the story gets even bigger and

1505
01:00:25,990 --> 01:00:23,359
we're looking at releasing in september

1506
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:26,000
but i've found so much stuff

1507
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:29,040
new stuff in the last month that

1508
01:00:32,950 --> 01:00:30,960
it may not come out in september because

1509
01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:32,960
we have to fit all this new stuff in

1510
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:34,480
there so maybe a little bit closer to

1511
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:35,599
the end of the year but

1512
01:00:38,789 --> 01:00:36,960
um yeah definitely if anybody's

1513
01:00:41,190 --> 01:00:38,799
interested check it out

1514
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:41,200
uh listen to the story listen to what we

1515
01:00:44,230 --> 01:00:42,000
found

1516
01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:44,240
and we'd love to hear from anybody that

1517
01:00:48,630 --> 01:00:46,319
has any stories to

1518
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:48,640
to add to our research and and dude

1519
01:00:50,950 --> 01:00:50,160
thank you for having me on the show too

1520
01:00:52,390 --> 01:00:50,960
and let me tell

1521
01:00:56,069 --> 01:00:52,400
tell these stories and talk about the

1522
01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:56,079
research i i'd so much appreciate it

1523
01:01:00,150 --> 01:00:58,400
man it's i know i'm i'm i'm asking you

1524
01:01:01,270 --> 01:01:00,160
so many questions and thank you because

1525
01:01:03,030 --> 01:01:01,280
i'm running you through the ring it's

1526
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:03,040
just there's so much that i want to hit

1527
01:01:09,829 --> 01:01:06,160
on and you've uncovered so much nathan

1528
01:01:10,470 --> 01:01:09,839
um lastly uh just before we close out

1529
01:01:12,309 --> 01:01:10,480
here

1530
01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:12,319
what i want to ask you about i can't

1531
01:01:14,710 --> 01:01:13,680
remember the gentleman's name there was

1532
01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:14,720
a gentleman who

1533
01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:17,440
purchased a bunch of computers they were

1534
01:01:20,309 --> 01:01:18,480
government-owned

1535
01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:20,319
can we get into that that's just so

1536
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:22,400
fascinating oh my gosh

1537
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:25,040
yeah okay yeah okay i'll try to make it

1538
01:01:28,309 --> 01:01:25,440
quick

1539
01:01:30,069 --> 01:01:28,319
okay this is totally fast and this is

1540
01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:30,079
one of the things we just found out

1541
01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:33,280
um somebody joined the

1542
01:01:38,390 --> 01:01:36,559
lodge and uh there was a member

1543
01:01:40,470 --> 01:01:38,400
and they just they just created a

1544
01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:40,480
facebook account to send us a message

1545
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:41,040
saying

1546
01:01:46,470 --> 01:01:44,960
have you looked at charles hayes and

1547
01:01:48,150 --> 01:01:46,480
it was somebody i would totally miss

1548
01:01:49,829 --> 01:01:48,160
this you know we'd found alexander

1549
01:01:51,829 --> 01:01:49,839
guterma the ex-nazi guy

1550
01:01:53,109 --> 01:01:51,839
and that itself was just totally

1551
01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:53,119
mind-blowing because i was like oh my

1552
01:01:55,270 --> 01:01:53,760
god what

1553
01:01:57,910 --> 01:01:55,280
how could how could no one know about

1554
01:02:00,470 --> 01:01:57,920
this so someone says to me

1555
01:02:01,349 --> 01:02:00,480
you know have you looked at this guy we

1556
01:02:03,270 --> 01:02:01,359
find out

1557
01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:03,280
to take a look this guy lives in pulaski

1558
01:02:08,150 --> 01:02:04,960
county his whole life

1559
01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:08,160
and in 1985 he was

1560
01:02:14,710 --> 01:02:11,680
convicted of or was was caught up in

1561
01:02:17,589 --> 01:02:14,720
the largest seizure of

1562
01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:17,599
uncut gemstones in us history and i'm

1563
01:02:23,190 --> 01:02:19,440
like well this is crazy

1564
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:23,200
and and then in like 1975

1565
01:02:28,549 --> 01:02:26,400
he was busted for arms trafficking

1566
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:28,559
like major arms trafficking not just

1567
01:02:31,589 --> 01:02:30,960
like selling some guns without checking

1568
01:02:34,230 --> 01:02:31,599
people's

1569
01:02:36,230 --> 01:02:34,240
you know background checks but like

1570
01:02:38,230 --> 01:02:36,240
rocket launchers

1571
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:38,240
um he in the 60s we've got all these

1572
01:02:42,789 --> 01:02:40,240
newspaper articles where he's running

1573
01:02:44,230 --> 01:02:42,799
the beckett hotel here and it's a

1574
01:02:47,109 --> 01:02:44,240
brothel basically

1575
01:02:48,870 --> 01:02:47,119
and they were running honeypot uh

1576
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:48,880
operations to catch

1577
01:02:52,789 --> 01:02:51,280
politicians and blackmail them so anyway

1578
01:02:56,549 --> 01:02:52,799
this guy

1579
01:02:58,870 --> 01:02:56,559
um is supposedly just a junk dealer just

1580
01:03:00,069 --> 01:02:58,880
and that's what everybody refers to him

1581
01:03:02,950 --> 01:03:00,079
as is this

1582
01:03:03,430 --> 01:03:02,960
redneck junk dealer but when he was

1583
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:03,440
caught

1584
01:03:07,349 --> 01:03:06,000
with the uncut gemstones he had been

1585
01:03:10,630 --> 01:03:07,359
living in brazil for

1586
01:03:13,750 --> 01:03:10,640
five years representing himself as an

1587
01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:13,760
international attorney which is crazy

1588
01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:17,200
and um the biggest thing

1589
01:03:20,309 --> 01:03:19,680
that we found the biggest connection was

1590
01:03:24,630 --> 01:03:20,319
that

1591
01:03:26,230 --> 01:03:24,640
he bought these computers from

1592
01:03:29,430 --> 01:03:26,240
the u.s government from the justice

1593
01:03:32,069 --> 01:03:29,440
department in lexington kentucky

1594
01:03:33,029 --> 01:03:32,079
at auction a government auction and

1595
01:03:36,470 --> 01:03:33,039
supposedly

1596
01:03:39,829 --> 01:03:36,480
they had not wiped the hard drives

1597
01:03:41,910 --> 01:03:39,839
of software so they i don't know how

1598
01:03:43,589 --> 01:03:41,920
they knew that they hadn't done this but

1599
01:03:45,510 --> 01:03:43,599
they they contacted him and they said

1600
01:03:48,069 --> 01:03:45,520
listen we need those back

1601
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:48,079
and he said no and so then they they

1602
01:03:51,349 --> 01:03:48,960
were like

1603
01:03:53,349 --> 01:03:51,359
if you don't give those those things

1604
01:03:55,430 --> 01:03:53,359
back we'll arrest you he says you can't

1605
01:03:57,589 --> 01:03:55,440
i bought them you know fair and square

1606
01:04:00,150 --> 01:03:57,599
so then the fbi raids his farm

1607
01:04:01,910 --> 01:04:00,160
they take the computers they wipe it so

1608
01:04:04,069 --> 01:04:01,920
they give them the stuff back

1609
01:04:05,349 --> 01:04:04,079
well later it turns out the software

1610
01:04:08,950 --> 01:04:05,359
that was on there

1611
01:04:12,549 --> 01:04:08,960
was this very famous this is like

1612
01:04:14,630 --> 01:04:12,559
old school conspiracy theory this

1613
01:04:15,750 --> 01:04:14,640
software called and this is true i mean

1614
01:04:19,510 --> 01:04:15,760
this existed

1615
01:04:21,829 --> 01:04:19,520
called promis p-r-o-m-i-s

1616
01:04:23,430 --> 01:04:21,839
and it was created by a company called

1617
01:04:26,069 --> 01:04:23,440
enslav

1618
01:04:29,190 --> 01:04:26,079
that operated out of chicago well the

1619
01:04:32,390 --> 01:04:29,200
promise software was sold to

1620
01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:32,400
governments you know municipalities all

1621
01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:33,280
over the world

1622
01:04:38,069 --> 01:04:36,160
all these different countries as a

1623
01:04:39,270 --> 01:04:38,079
private software you know privately

1624
01:04:41,910 --> 01:04:39,280
developed software

1625
01:04:43,990 --> 01:04:41,920
to connect their financial systems their

1626
01:04:46,069 --> 01:04:44,000
criminal record systems

1627
01:04:48,950 --> 01:04:46,079
but what they didn't realize is that

1628
01:04:52,230 --> 01:04:48,960
inslaw had contracted with the cia

1629
01:04:53,589 --> 01:04:52,240
to build a back door so these salesmen

1630
01:04:55,589 --> 01:04:53,599
were going around the world

1631
01:04:57,510 --> 01:04:55,599
selling these things and it's believed

1632
01:05:01,349 --> 01:04:57,520
that charles hayes

1633
01:05:03,990 --> 01:05:01,359
was and he claims that he was an ex-cia

1634
01:05:04,870 --> 01:05:04,000
contractor who was selling the promise

1635
01:05:07,589 --> 01:05:04,880
software

1636
01:05:07,990 --> 01:05:07,599
in brazil and that he was paid with

1637
01:05:10,789 --> 01:05:08,000
these

1638
01:05:11,270 --> 01:05:10,799
uncut gemstones and that's that's how

1639
01:05:12,789 --> 01:05:11,280
you know

1640
01:05:14,549 --> 01:05:12,799
coming back to the united states gets

1641
01:05:17,510 --> 01:05:14,559
caught there well

1642
01:05:19,029 --> 01:05:17,520
the government's is like this guy is not

1643
01:05:21,829 --> 01:05:19,039
an xci agent

1644
01:05:23,829 --> 01:05:21,839
and he's just a junk dealer well the

1645
01:05:26,069 --> 01:05:23,839
government doesn't pay ins law

1646
01:05:27,430 --> 01:05:26,079
its final six million dollar payment

1647
01:05:28,150 --> 01:05:27,440
that's how we know about all this

1648
01:05:31,349 --> 01:05:28,160
because

1649
01:05:35,270 --> 01:05:31,359
enslave sued the government there's a

1650
01:05:38,390 --> 01:05:35,280
court case i think was around 1990 1991

1651
01:05:41,430 --> 01:05:38,400
that where influence sued the government

1652
01:05:43,349 --> 01:05:41,440
they called charles hayes as a witness

1653
01:05:45,430 --> 01:05:43,359
and the government's like oh this guy's

1654
01:05:47,589 --> 01:05:45,440
a scrap dealer from

1655
01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:47,599
pulaski county kentucky he doesn't know

1656
01:05:51,910 --> 01:05:49,440
anything he's not a ci agent

1657
01:05:52,789 --> 01:05:51,920
he opens his mouth and they immediately

1658
01:05:54,390 --> 01:05:52,799
enacted the

1659
01:05:56,789 --> 01:05:54,400
national security act so we don't know

1660
01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:56,799
what was said and this guy

1661
01:06:04,069 --> 01:06:00,240
claims charles hayes claims that he

1662
01:06:07,270 --> 01:06:04,079
was an xci contractor who

1663
01:06:08,230 --> 01:06:07,280
used the promise software and bought all

1664
01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:08,240
of this

1665
01:06:11,990 --> 01:06:10,559
government you know computer stuff with

1666
01:06:15,910 --> 01:06:12,000
a num a number of other

1667
01:06:18,789 --> 01:06:15,920
xcia hackers to construct a cray

1668
01:06:21,270 --> 01:06:18,799
supercomputer that they were that

1669
01:06:23,589 --> 01:06:21,280
communicated with the satcom system

1670
01:06:24,870 --> 01:06:23,599
and they were hacking with the promise

1671
01:06:27,910 --> 01:06:24,880
software

1672
01:06:30,069 --> 01:06:27,920
corrupt senators bank accounts

1673
01:06:31,829 --> 01:06:30,079
and finding people that were you know on

1674
01:06:33,270 --> 01:06:31,839
the take with the mob on the table

1675
01:06:35,589 --> 01:06:33,280
terrorist organizations

1676
01:06:36,870 --> 01:06:35,599
and they were sending them manila

1677
01:06:39,190 --> 01:06:36,880
envelopes

1678
01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:39,200
that had the evidence in a letter that

1679
01:06:44,230 --> 01:06:42,240
said you have 24 hours to resign

1680
01:06:45,990 --> 01:06:44,240
we're going to release this information

1681
01:06:48,789 --> 01:06:46,000
and during the period that charles

1682
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:48,799
hayes claims that he was doing this it

1683
01:06:53,430 --> 01:06:50,640
was the largest number

1684
01:06:54,470 --> 01:06:53,440
of resignations of u.s politicians in

1685
01:06:57,990 --> 01:06:54,480
u.s history

1686
01:07:01,829 --> 01:06:58,000
and so he he gained the name the angel

1687
01:07:04,150 --> 01:07:01,839
death and he said that

1688
01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:04,160
they had built this crazed supercomputer

1689
01:07:08,069 --> 01:07:06,160
in the back of a semi-trailer

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that they were driving around pulaski

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01:07:12,470 --> 01:07:09,520
county around kentucky

1692
01:07:14,630 --> 01:07:12,480
to keep it moving and there are there's

1693
01:07:17,750 --> 01:07:14,640
an episode of x-files

1694
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:17,760
that's based on this uh that

1695
01:07:21,910 --> 01:07:20,400
where they introduced the lone gunman

1696
01:07:22,950 --> 01:07:21,920
and there's a super computer in the back

1697
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:22,960
of the trailer

1698
01:07:26,069 --> 01:07:24,480
now the semi-trailer has been cool and

1699
01:07:28,950 --> 01:07:26,079
it's based on this story

1700
01:07:29,349 --> 01:07:28,960
unbelievable and there's so much more to

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01:07:32,630 --> 01:07:29,359
it

1702
01:07:37,349 --> 01:07:32,640
that that gets deeper into the

1703
01:07:41,910 --> 01:07:37,359
origin of bitcoin and how cryptocurrency

1704
01:07:42,870 --> 01:07:41,920
may have started here in pulaski county

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01:07:45,029 --> 01:07:42,880
and

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01:07:46,789 --> 01:07:45,039
dude the stuff i've uncovered i mean

1707
01:07:50,069 --> 01:07:46,799
that's what the second season

1708
01:07:51,510 --> 01:07:50,079
is about this part of the mystery that

1709
01:07:54,870 --> 01:07:51,520
we've uncovered and i'm like

1710
01:07:57,270 --> 01:07:54,880
how is it possible that there's

1711
01:07:58,390 --> 01:07:57,280
alexander guterman here this ex-nazi

1712
01:08:00,950 --> 01:07:58,400
intelligence agent

1713
01:08:02,150 --> 01:08:00,960
that you know is implicated in the jfk

1714
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:02,160
assassination

1715
01:08:07,750 --> 01:08:05,920
and now some person sends me a message

1716
01:08:09,510 --> 01:08:07,760
and then closes out their account and

1717
01:08:10,069 --> 01:08:09,520
that says have you looked at charles

1718
01:08:13,589 --> 01:08:10,079
hayes

1719
01:08:14,390 --> 01:08:13,599
and then we find this massive rabbit

1720
01:08:17,349 --> 01:08:14,400
hole

1721
01:08:18,390 --> 01:08:17,359
and and this all ties in which is too

1722
01:08:21,669 --> 01:08:18,400
much to go into

1723
01:08:25,110 --> 01:08:21,679
to the danny casalero

1724
01:08:27,269 --> 01:08:25,120
and the octopus conspiracy and

1725
01:08:28,309 --> 01:08:27,279
the number one witness where danny

1726
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:28,319
casalero

1727
01:08:31,910 --> 01:08:29,920
just google danny castellaire on the

1728
01:08:32,630 --> 01:08:31,920
octopus and i won't go into the story

1729
01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:32,640
but

1730
01:08:36,789 --> 01:08:35,440
what you what what we found out is that

1731
01:08:38,709 --> 01:08:36,799
his

1732
01:08:41,030 --> 01:08:38,719
witness the guy feeding him all the

1733
01:08:42,149 --> 01:08:41,040
information about promise and about all

1734
01:08:45,430 --> 01:08:42,159
this stuff

1735
01:08:49,030 --> 01:08:45,440
was charles hayes there were thousands

1736
01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:49,040
of phone calls to charles hayes that the

1737
01:08:52,470 --> 01:08:50,880
the government and the investigators

1738
01:08:54,789 --> 01:08:52,480
found after

1739
01:08:56,149 --> 01:08:54,799
dana castellero committed suicide or was

1740
01:08:58,630 --> 01:08:56,159
suicided

1741
01:09:00,630 --> 01:08:58,640
in martinsburg west virginia you find

1742
01:09:01,110 --> 01:09:00,640
out the number one person he was talking

1743
01:09:02,789 --> 01:09:01,120
to

1744
01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:02,799
where all this information was coming

1745
01:09:09,510 --> 01:09:05,359
from was chuck hayes

1746
01:09:12,630 --> 01:09:09,520
here pulaski county how crazy is that

1747
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:12,640
man the you know the history the

1748
01:09:18,229 --> 01:09:15,920
underground mysteries they're like just

1749
01:09:20,630 --> 01:09:18,239
layers on layers on layers and you've

1750
01:09:22,709 --> 01:09:20,640
done such a good job everybody's got to

1751
01:09:24,550 --> 01:09:22,719
cruise over to the liminal lodge go to

1752
01:09:26,149 --> 01:09:24,560
you know they've got to check out

1753
01:09:27,590 --> 01:09:26,159
everything again if you could tell our

1754
01:09:29,829 --> 01:09:27,600
listeners one more time

1755
01:09:31,189 --> 01:09:29,839
just where they can uh keep up with

1756
01:09:34,309 --> 01:09:31,199
everything you're doing and

1757
01:09:35,590 --> 01:09:34,319
just the inconceivable mysteries that

1758
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:35,600
are riddled in this area

1759
01:09:38,550 --> 01:09:37,040
let's just go through it one more time

1760
01:09:40,630 --> 01:09:38,560
and i'll let you go i know i've kept you

1761
01:09:42,550 --> 01:09:40,640
longer than i said i would

1762
01:09:44,070 --> 01:09:42,560
oh yeah man no this is this is dude i

1763
01:09:45,829 --> 01:09:44,080
love talking to you about all this stuff

1764
01:09:47,189 --> 01:09:45,839
every time every time you're not chat i

1765
01:09:49,390 --> 01:09:47,199
love it man

1766
01:09:50,870 --> 01:09:49,400
but yeah uh people can check out uh

1767
01:09:53,430 --> 01:09:50,880
penderworldpodcast.com

1768
01:09:55,189 --> 01:09:53,440
or on patreon uh search for pinroll

1769
01:09:57,830 --> 01:09:55,199
podcast or the limo lodge

1770
01:09:58,790 --> 01:09:57,840
uh you'll find us and we're on all the

1771
01:10:01,830 --> 01:09:58,800
platforms

1772
01:10:02,790 --> 01:10:01,840
i love how the podcast looks on spotify

1773
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:02,800
and uh

1774
01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:05,280
like i said we've we've got uh the

1775
01:10:08,709 --> 01:10:06,400
second season

1776
01:10:09,910 --> 01:10:08,719
gearing up with all of this craziness

1777
01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:09,920
there's so much more

1778
01:10:13,110 --> 01:10:11,040
stuff that you and i have talked about

1779
01:10:16,470 --> 01:10:13,120
you know but yeah

1780
01:10:18,950 --> 01:10:16,480
join us it's still unfolding

1781
01:10:19,510 --> 01:10:18,960
we're still finding so much weird stuff

1782
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:19,520
that

1783
01:10:23,350 --> 01:10:22,239
i just i don't know i've count myself

1784
01:10:25,270 --> 01:10:23,360
lucky that i've

1785
01:10:27,110 --> 01:10:25,280
i've stumbled upon all this and get to

1786
01:10:30,709 --> 01:10:27,120
tell this story so

1787
01:10:33,990 --> 01:10:30,719
um yeah uh check us out and uh

1788
01:10:35,669 --> 01:10:34,000
um you know enjoy the weirdness with us

1789
01:10:38,229 --> 01:10:35,679
can't thank you enough nathan and i hope

1790
01:10:41,189 --> 01:10:38,239
to talk to you soon thanks for

1791
01:10:42,470 --> 01:10:41,199
getting on the podcast again and um yeah

1792
01:10:45,110 --> 01:10:42,480
let's do it again brother

1793
01:10:47,189 --> 01:10:45,120
all the best to you anytime man and

1794
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:47,199
thank you dude for having me again i

1795
01:10:52,470 --> 01:10:50,560
love talking to you so thanks man guests

1796
01:10:54,229 --> 01:10:52,480
don't really get much better than nathan

1797
01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:54,239
isaac i mean the guy that's connected

1798
01:10:58,070 --> 01:10:55,920
the dots of high strangeness

1799
01:11:00,709 --> 01:10:58,080
in the penny royal plateau i mean

1800
01:11:02,630 --> 01:11:00,719
everything from nasa to the cia

1801
01:11:03,910 --> 01:11:02,640
underground mysteries appalachian

1802
01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:03,920
mountains

1803
01:11:07,750 --> 01:11:06,000
wherever you think it ends i'm telling

1804
01:11:10,709 --> 01:11:07,760
you friends it's just beginning

1805
01:11:12,790 --> 01:11:10,719
and the nice thing about this is his

1806
01:11:14,630 --> 01:11:12,800
research is still unfolding definitely

1807
01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:14,640
head over to the liminal lodge

1808
01:11:18,390 --> 01:11:17,600
contribute on patreon and definitely

1809
01:11:21,669 --> 01:11:18,400
listen to his

1810
01:11:23,910 --> 01:11:21,679
eight episode podcast series can't say

1811
01:11:26,470 --> 01:11:23,920
enough good stuff about nathan isaac

1812
01:11:27,270 --> 01:11:26,480
and uh until next time keep your eyes to

1813
01:11:29,270 --> 01:11:27,280
the skies

1814
01:11:40,870 --> 01:11:29,280
feet on the ground but don't forget to

1815
01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:40,880
take a look around

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01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:47,520
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